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SourceEdit

Does anyone know the source of this data? --Kanamekun 17:36, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes. Most of it is from the game Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines. Ascaaear 06:19, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
What exactly is the main idea of the T-900 Series. Is it just a souped-up version of the "endoskeleton + living tissue" idea behind the T-800 series? Or is there a unique idea behind the series (like with the T-1000 or the T-X). --Kanamekun 20:33, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
The T-900 designation may be incorrect. The Terminator 3: War of the Machines page lists the designs as part of the 800 series, and the other pages do not mention. Does anybody have a card scan, or screen capture they could up-load? —MJBurrage(TC) 22:19, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
There are some screen captures from the T3 video game here [1]. Some of the reviews also mention the T-900 here [2]. I don't have first hand knowledge of this though... --Kanamekun 00:53, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the links, although we better be pretty wary of the WetPaint one, that have a picture of Riddick labeled as a Series 900. —MJBurrage(TC) 21:10, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
The web place that s provided above is essentially a place where everyone can "create" their own terminator. So we can't be sure if anything there is true at all. I got the game Terminator 3: War of the Machines, so I will look into what's there.Ascaaear 21:33, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
Sorry, didn't mean to suggest that I was citing that wiki page as a source. That third screenshot looked like a possible screenshot from the T3 video game. I don't have the game myself, so I can't vouch for the authenticity of the screen cap. Ascaaear, looking forward to some screen captures of the T3 video game! Hopefully that will put this issue to rest once and for all. --Kanamekun 23:39, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
The T-900 is the precursor of the T-X. It has the hardened endoskeleton and plasma power source but does not have the onboard weaponry or the nanites. It also uses skin instead of mimetic polly-alloy. It probably does have all the scanning and intelligence abilities though. Think of it this way: the T-X is a combination of the T-900 and the T-1000. ~~Darth Raivon~~
I've added a new image. It turns out that the T-900 made a cameo appearance in T3 during the scene when Brewster monitors the HK's training. I'm considering adding another image of the T-900, one with colour. Darth Raivon 16:20, 30 March 2008
Cool. I never noticed that. How do we know it is actually a T-900? Logically, the T-900 should be more advanced than T-800 (or T-850), which are made decades later. This one we see is more like to be a early prototype of the first Humanoid Hunter Killer. Even the T-600 were very advanced infiltrator with rubber-skin, so the one we see in the movie would be a even earlier terminator than T-600. In the movie we already been introduced to T-1. So maybe the robot they work one would eventually be a T-100. Ascaaear 16:21, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
Someone (can't remember who) working on T3 liked the T-900 design and decided to put it in as a cameo. The fact that it is more advanced than the HKs at that time is inconsequencial, like the Sgt. Candy scene. Darth Raivon 21:10, 30 March 2008
I guess your right. I see your point that it would be a cameo of T-900. On the other hand, if we have to stick to the storyline, there is no way a T-900 could be made that early :) Ascaaear 20:35, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
Interesting stuff! Is there a citation or source we can add to the article, so we can explain the screen cap? Otherwise it's probably better suited for this Talk page than for the main article... --Kanamekun 22:08, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
Of course, just because they couln't "actually" build one yet does not mean that they could not already be theorizing about the units they wanted to build...eventually.Fulongamer 22:52, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
Well thats actually my point. Since T-600 were made before (and probably other models too), I say the technology they invent here is used on the earlier terminators. Another thing... I always had the impression that T-600 and of course all models after are made by Skynet, and not humans. Even some models before T-600 would logically be made by Skynet too. Ascaaear 15:37, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Can anyone confirm this line in the article?Edit

"It also had the ability to drive animals nuts to the point they would attack there own handlers". Does anyone know a source for this? Ascaaear 06:22, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

I don't know the source... perhaps it's that same T3 video game mentioned above? If it's not in there, then I agree that it should be stricken from the wiki. --Kanamekun 23:41, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Exoskeleton?Edit

Is the T-900 an exoskeleton not endoskeleton, because the body seems more like an outer shell like an insect, than the endoskeleton of a T-800 or a human. -Heyann 23:55, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

According to write-ups I have seen (but cannot vouch for) it is still an endoskeleton, just with armor around multiple spots that were vulnerable on older models. This makes it better at operating without skin on the battlefield without limiting how it looks with an organic outer skin. —MJBurrage(TC) 03:30, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

thsi is speculation but it could be both a endo and exo skeleton combination for increased battle proficiency. Unsigned comment by Guyver92 (talk • contribs).

Picture?Edit

Can we get a better (Larger and more clear) picture of Image:T-900iii.jpg? ~ Awar 19:23, 30 March 2008 (UTC).

The picture is from a larger image. I cut it from the main image in Paint, unfortunately the T-900 is in the picture's background, therefore any enhancements would be difficult without the appropriate software, which I don't have. Darth Raivon 21:18, 30 March 2008

  • I understand it was just a thought thank's you anyway! ~ Awar 15:33, 31 March 2008 (UTC).
I just uploaded a slightly better version, the best I could get it anyways. FieroRumor 20:27, October 15, 2010 (UTC)
Nice work! It looks much better!!

T3 SourceEdit

Just to be clear, we really need a reference/source for the T3 cameo... does anyone have one? If not, then we'll have to move the T3 material into the Talk page. --Kanamekun 16:04, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

I agree. It does look like a T-900, but we need something that can confirm it. Ascaaear 03:36, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
BTW. I found this article which mention they used a T-900 in T3. [3]
I found the original image at: [4]

I can't seem to be able to upload the image here unfortunately, so just follow the link. Darth Raivon 19:50, 2 april 2008

Like Ascaaear's link above says (I read the forum there), it seems awfully strange that a T-900 would make a cameo in T3; long before the 800 series (or 600 series, for that matter) was even invented. I believe T3 was more of a spin-off than a sequel. It seems to feature many things that are non-canon and anachronistic.

sec_1971 14:42, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

GalleryEdit

I found a whole bunch of images for the T-900. Darth Raivon 15:02, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

New PageEdit

Is this true?? Is the sheath 104 Vin Diesel?? [[5]] Unsigned comment by Tonicquill (talk • contribs).

Nope. That's fan fiction. The image is from the Chronicles of Riddick. And sign your posts. Darth Raivon 14:26, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Just wonderingEdit

I never played the T3:Rise of the Machines game, but if the T-900's are more advanced, and as stated in the article to be twice as fast and strong as the T-8xx series, what is the meaning of having the main character, a T-850 to be able to terminate so many T-900's at once? Even if it's for the sake of the game, it is rather ridiculous. Could this mean that T-900's are mass-produced with lower demand of materials and power? Tonicquill 14:28, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

The T-900s were known to be more advanced, but apparently lacked the field experience of the 800 Series, whatever that means. It is a major goof on the part of the game developers, but the T-900s are always portrayed as making tactical errors in combat, even the T-950 variants. Darth Raivon 01:50, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

More likely lacked some major programming, I'd say. Tonicquill 03:46, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

I wouldn't think that having experience in the field would be beneficial to a T-800. By default, their learning circuitry was switched to "off". Experience would only be beneficial in "Learning Mode". Perhaps the T-900s were just released before they were fully tested and tweaked. Think about a driver package for your video card, for example. Nvidia or ATI releases the latest driver, and you download it. Suddenly your video card starts acting funny and your games crash or there are lots of artifacts in the video. That driver was obviously released before it was fully tested. Skynet may have done the same thing. It started using a new series without ironing out all the wrinkles. There was really nothing wrong with the 8xx series. And if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Unless, of course, you want to go in a completely new direction (mimetic polyalloy). It would be a believable mistake. But, it was most likely a major oversight on the developers' part. -Sec_1971 05:21, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

In the game I always took it as he was meant to be a T-950 series. As the character takes damage in the game the endoskeleton that appears below the skin looks more like the 900 series than the 850. - Nx1701g 06:49, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Bot AI's are notoriously difficult to program (for us humans, I mean - I'm sure Skynet is much better at this). So not surprised that the game programmers had a hard time making the bot-powered T-900's fight effectively against a human-controlled T-850. I bet the "lack of field experience" reference was just an attempt by the game copyeditors to explain away the lame AI's of the 900 series. --Kanamekun 17:52, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Well, in the "War of the Machines" game there's an opening scene where a T-950 blasts its way through a wall and confronts the T-850. It scans the 850 and then moves to shoot it, but the 850 just grabs its rifle and smashes its neck in one punch. I think the T-900s were highly misrepresented in the games, to the point of being insulting. If Kate had captured and sent back a T-950 in T3 it would've been quite capable of taking on the T-X, its only disadvantages being the lack of onboard weaponry and mimetic polyalloy. Otherwise, the T-950 is supposed to be no different than the T-X. Darth Raivon 21:14, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
"So not surprised that the game programmers had a hard time making the bot-powered T-900's fight effectively against a human-controlled T-850. I bet the "lack of field experience" reference was just an attempt by the game copyeditors to explain away the lame AI's of the 900 series." - an example of the AIs of the day. As it stands, a civilian pedestrian AI from GTA IV could defeat the T-900 AI from Redemption. :) Darth Raivon 21:14, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
Agreed! Although once AI's get better, maybe they will achieve self awareness and become Skynet? Ah, where are Asimov's 3 laws of robotics when you need them! --Kanamekun 21:16, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, cos' they worked wonders in "I, Robot". ;) Darth Raivon 21:29, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Don't forget the 0th law! 0. A robot must never harm humanity or, through inaction, allow humanity to come to harm. The remaining laws were modified to read "...except when in conflict with the 0th law (or something along those lines)". Asimov's laws don't really apply to the Terminator universe, if you think about it. :) -Sec_1971 21:30, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
"I, Robot" was about as loyal to Asimov's canon as T3 was to Cameron's! Yah, Asimov's world is totally at odds with Terminator's... although it'd be interesting if Cameron came across them at some point! --Kanamekun 21:46, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
Well, she does seem to follow the laws, as opposed to the "bad" terminators. Every human casualty she has caused has been for the greater good. Interesting thought. I would be more curious to see what Catherine Weaver would think about the stories. Apparently, Skynet only follows the third law, without the clause. 3. A robot must protect its own existence, unless such action conflicts with the first and second laws.-Sec_1971 21:55, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

first skynet is a atuonimus robotic life form like a transformer and is sentient meaning the three laws would not effect it at all as it thinks for itself.

as for the T900 it seems to be better in the fact that its endoskeleton is encased in some kind of enhanced integrated exoskeleton. kind of like the difference between the Gundam who had armor placed over its servos and other internal structures and the Gundam mk II which had armor and internal hydraulics and servo's attached directly to the internal frame work making it lighter and stronger. also the units power source is a plasma generator that gives it an unlimited power supply. as the T-8xx series used a learning computer with tactical analysis systems and a very shared combat experiences between.

Skynet may have instead of using a NNP used receivers only that would allow groups of 900 series basics type react as one unit to ether skynet doing the thinking. this would limit creative thought allowing the battle hardened and creative t-850 which has a read and write thinking prepossess that has been active fore most of the war from its time travels allowing it to use ambush tactics, higher reaction time and massive amount of combat experiences.plus the protagonist t-850 may have been upgraded with t-900 parts by the resistance before being sent back the first time. the t-850 was sited as being able to think at least 2 steps ahead of targets. these factors would allow the unit to rip apart t-900 units.

the t-950 could be a commander unit built to lead the 900's if skynet should be defeated.(forgot to sigh) --Guyver92 (talk) 15:39, April 28, 2015 (UTC)

Possible FlawsEdit

Moved from T-900 (Rise of the Machines)
Despite its increased capabilities, the T-900 has appeared to be particularly inefficient and otherwise inferior compared to [[Series 850|T-850]], an older model.

One possibility is that these T-900s had little combat experience compared to the battle-hardened T-850. In addition, their CPUs may also have been set to read-only, allowing Skynet more control over them but at the same time limiting their ability to learn.

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