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Name Error[]

I was flicking through the Wikipedia earlier and came across Victoria in the minor character section of TSCC. Interestingly, she wasn't called Victoria. Her name was credited as "Rosie". It appears that the name Victoria belonged to Weaver's assistant (the one who tells Catherine about Dr. Sherman after the photoshoot). So this machine's name is not Victoria after all, and appears to be Rosie. I'm going to make the appropriate changes, but if anyone has any thoughts or objections, post them here. Darth Raivon 22:55, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

I told you so :) -Sec_1971 22:58, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Docile?[]

Do we know that Victoria was sent to kill Dr. Sherman? She may have been sent to protect him... --Kanamekun 04:00, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

That's a much better picture. I still can't understand, however, where the name Victoria comes from. As far as her mission, I seem to recall someone suggesting that she was sent to kill Dr. Sherman in order to prevent him from making Skynet too docile. But then, if Skynet became too docile, it probably wouldn't have attempted to kill off the human race in the first place (thus having no reason to terminate John Connor to begin with). Confusion.........doesn't matter, she's dead anyway.--sec_1971 02:47, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

It's a script name, given just for its own purpose. Darth Raivon 11:45, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps the name Victoria is just a feminine version of Vick; the other, short-lived Terminator in the series. -sec_1971 00:09, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

To add further fuel to the fire, here's the history of how the name ended up here in the first place. I looked up the castlist for 206 on the official site and saw the listing for "Kit Pongetti" as "Victoria". Looking through all the pics and matching the actress listing up on IMDB I identified this as the Red-head terminator. No problemo. Now there is a second listing for "Bonnie Morgan" as "red-headed female terminator" as well as the retained listing for "Victoria". Are they double billing the actress/stuntwoman? Did 2 play the same "part"? Not according to the official podcast! WTF? How many contortionists did they get for this? It can't be a pseudonym thing, can it?
If "Victoria" is some other character I couldn't catch appearing in the episode, then we will have to do a ret-con and return the red-head to an unnamed state (or at least a name the community can agree on).Fulongamer 00:57, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps Bonnie played the character herself, and Kit was the stunt actress...? They could be sisters, one a contortionist, the other not. Kit could be married with a different surname. Linda Hamilton's sister, Leslie, played Sarah Connor briefly in T2 but was not credited. Linda lifted weights for awhile, Leslie did not, therefore Leslie was a bit more feminine and was easily spotted. Just a thought.=sec_1971 01:52, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

What irks me is that in the podcast they ohhed and ahhhed all over the fact that there was a single stuntwoman/actress. This was all the terminator, no props, no extra stuntperson. As far as any other "character who could be named Victoria" it didn't look like the photo scene person Catherine was talking to about child rearing, couldn't have been the oriental receptionist, wasn't the lady in the elevator, so who else was there?Fulongamer 02:06, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Maybe in order to avoid confusion, we should rename her "Unidentified Female Terminator". Maybe Victoria was the name of the potential replacement from the temp agency, whom Dr. Sherman said was being sent over....she may appear in a deleted scene we may see in the Season 2 DVD. Changing the article name now may save a lot of trouble in the future if this happens. sec_1971 02:15, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Meh. If we rename her anything, I say "Red". Simple, no muss no fuss. But of course that'll hinges on what comes out of 208 (if anything). We are getting too many "Left handed terminators with a squint eye" ie: long unneccesarily complicated names. Anything more complicated than something like "The Bedell Terminator" for the unnamed ones sticks in my craw, and there are too many unnamed cropping up to keep revisiting forms of the name. I say we hold off till something resolves out of the Cast List for 206 (and/or delete/ignore the thread above till we have a plan.) 8( Fulongamer 03:14, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Victoria's mission[]

  • Q: If Victoria was sent to protect Sherman, the question is, from who? Did Skynet think that the resistance might send someone to kill him as being a (witting or not) skynet collaborator? If so, is it possible that Victoria, when noticing Cameron, thought that Cameron was a reprogrammed terminator with a mission to terminate Sherman? In that case, both terminators thought the other one is there to kill Sherman, thus engaging in a fight.
  • Q: If Victoria was sent to kill Sherman, why? We know that in the past (namely in the case of Ellison/Cromartie), Cromartie didn't terminate Ellison, presumably knowing from events in the future that Ellison helps Skynet, through his work for Weaver, more than he hurts it. So why would Skynet send a terminator to kill someone who is helping Weaver? Of course, there is also the possiblity that there are more than two factions in the future, and that whoever sent Victoria is different from whoever Weaver is working for. See my debate on Talk:Catherine Weaver's talk page. Shadowlord2 03:26, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
  • A: Quite possibly.
  • A: It could be that Sherman succeeds in making Skynet more docile, which could lead to the prevention of Judgment Day, which future Skynet wouldn't want for whatever reason. Darth Raivon 15:09, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
  • My new theory is that Skynet sent Rosie to kill Sherman to stop the production of John Henry, a benevolent AI which views human life as sacred which is capable of organising Skynet's defeat.Zythe 15:37, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
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