Talk: I-950 Infiltrator

Details & Images Needed

The I-950 series intrigues me, we need more in-depth info from T2: Infiltrator. What capabilities does it have? What cybernetic implants does it possess? More information, please. Darth Raivon 21:40, 30 March 2008

There aren't any images available other than the "artist's conception" render of implants you see on the front page here, as it is as yet a Novel Only model. The implants are not great or extensive, being only neural implants established in the brain of the infant as the "clone tissue" version was grown in the Future, or in the "natural childbirth" version Serena Burns creates herself in the past. We aren't talking Borg or Replicator nanites here, but the initial "infection" was carried out internally with nanites for the fetal terminator Serena creates.

The Internal implants maintain wireless communicaiton with Skynet, monitoring and implanting visual cues directly into the optic nerve that deliver a "classic" terminator HUD to the Infiltrator. It directly controls all glandular secretions and can stimulate or mute the electrical impulses to ignore pain, deliver precice physical control at all times, and enable enhanced performance.Fulongamer 21:16, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Brilliant, this is exactly what I was expecting. The I-950 is basically a living Terminator. Thanks for the update. Darth Raivon 13:08, 31 March 2008

They should introduce an I-950 in Season 2 of TSCC. That would cause trouble with Derek's self-righteous "machines don't have a soul" point of view. I wonder if there are any male I-950s. Darth Raivon 01:30, 4 April 2008

Yes, Serena kills one in training during sparring after it allows it's aggressive emotional turmoil from puberty to exceed its authority in Skynet's eyes.Fulongamer 00:54, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Could you make a page for the Defective Male, assuming there's enough information to justify it. It might shed some light on the I-950's emotional struggle. Also, is it possible for an I-950 to be "disconnected" from Skynet and help the Resistance?Darth Raivon 17:41, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Certainly, working the [Defective Male] this evening. Note that all I-950's operating in the past (prior to the activation in [T2: Rising Storm] are disconnected from the "real" skynet, and carry on internal conversations with their "memories" of Skynet from their time connected, like the interactive conversation capability Superman/Kal-El has with his Fortress of Solitude. It is entirely possible that an I-950 could overcome it's programming due to the human experience, much like [I825.M] and the BSG Cylons who have done so, but the level of continuing internal conflict would be markedly higher, especially with the circuitry's capability to even animate the corpse of the I-950 even when near headless. And Spider-man thought he had problems with the original alien symbiote. 8) Fulongamer 22:27, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, Spider-man was an idiot, all that power and he threw it away because he couldn't control his temper. I get the impression that the Resistance cannot sever the Skynet connection without killing the Infiltrator, so only the I-950 itself can save itself from Skynet's domination. I imagine that struggle would be one hell of a migraine. BTW, it would be cool if advanced I-950s were like Saren Arterius (Mass Effect), cos' he was cool. Darth Raivon 14:06, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Implants

Also, does an I-950 age or do the implants regulate its growth. In short, are the I-950s immortal, or at least as long-lived as Terminators? Darth Raivon 17:19, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

That isn't approached in any of the novels, none of the units live long enough for it to matter. I would speculate that the lifespan of the adult I-950 would be even with a normal human's. While the use of aging chemicals makes them rapidly deployable, it is unlikely they suffer the AOTC Cloning accellerated age problem. But the implants can only regulate so much in a truly organic system, so the extension they would provide seems reasonable to cut off at a normal lifespan, rather than anything foreshortened or hyper-extended.Fulongamer 18:33, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Makes sense. I just figured it would be more long-lived due to its enhancements, but like you said; none live long enough to address the issue. Cheers. Darth Raivon 19:03, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Here's a thought: maybe the I-950 can "save" it's consciousness within it's implants, thereby allowing it to be recycled or placed within a Terminator. Darth Raivon 16:36, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

A couple of questions about the latest edit....

1. I know we discussed something about the potential lifespans for the I-950s before, and I thought we'd simply come to the conclusion that their lifespans were generally equivalent to or slightly longer than a normal human's. Where are you getting the implied "extended youth" element?
2. The wireless communication is a definite given, but the statement "This ability also allows it to wirelessly interface with any computer that is sophisticated enough to possess an operating code." is a bit of an overreach, no? There still has to be an effective communication mode to I/O the system, be it bluetooth, wi-fi, or whatever. I wouldn't :handwave: the tech requirements, they aren't tech-psionics, they're cyborgs.

Fulongamer 11:07, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

No, it's not "a bit" of an overreach, it's quite a large piece ;\ of an overreach. I'd interpret that simply as the implants containing a very advanced wireless interface with multimode capability for any typical commercial standard, BlueTooth, WiFi, WiMax, WUSB, and the software to operate a very wide range of systems, possibly with hacking / cracking routines. You can't exactly hack into a computer via BlueTooth, but you can do it through (wired) FireWire (google "firewire dma attack"), so this version would be close enough to reality to be believable.--Lilianne Blaze 20:18, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

1) I recently read the first book. Serena comments that she shan't get any older and implies that her physical appearance is set and will not change as the years go by.

2) Wireless interface: that is taken word for word from the book. Trust me, I had it in my hand when I typed it on the page. Remember, the T-X was able to access the internet wirelessly. Darth Raivon 13:04, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

1) I'm still unsure if that was a statement regarding her overall aging, or simply a summation of having reached the "adult" stabilized form, and now being subject to no more accellerated aging, and expecting no significant variations in her current form for as long as she expects to be on mission. Anything else would be irrelevant.

2) That brings up the question of just what she would be talking about there. There are only a few ways short of magic that she could be fairly literal in her statement, Either:

• The Implants are capable of transmission and reception fine tuned enough to treat even the bare contacts at the Modem/LAN ports of a computer as an antenna, and piggybacking in on the normal route.
• The Implants are capable of interfacing with any networked computer via either their own wireless LAN connection directly or in from the network, but would be unable to connect with any equipment not equipped with I/O ports and/or on a network.
• The Implants are able to directly scan (read) and transmit to (write) any electronic assembly that is complex enough to possess a CPU running any OS, regardless of the presence of Modems, ports, or other I/O assemblies by direct observation and manipulation of the unit's ambient EM signals/field.

Proximity would certianly be a significant factor, and should one be monitoring her with EM scanners they should detect the TX and RX signals. Potentially, this also opens up another potential weakness, as hinted at by the reaction to the nuclear blast and it's EMP. A broad spectrum or targeted EW jamming signal could produce a significant "white noise" feedback, suitable for either interference with the Implant's read/write external capability or even causing direct pain and damage.Fulongamer 19:50, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

"1) I'm still unsure if that was a statement regarding her overall aging, or simply a summation of having reached the "adult" stabilized form, and now being subject to no more accellerated aging, and expecting no significant variations in her current form for as long as she expects to be on mission. Anything else would be irrelevant. - Serena was concerned that her youth would impede her success in earning the respect of the Cyberdyne executives, and mused that this wouldn't change in the foreseable future. It makes sense that Skynet would design the I-950s so that they could remain at physical peak til' the day they die. Besides, I-950s also possessed DNA additions from other species. Darth Raivon 20:32, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

The fact is, no matter what nutrients, longevity drugs, etc. that are put into the human body (implants or not) it cannot possibly live beyond 120 years. It is in human genetic code for a person to die at 120, no matter how healthy. It is a physical limitation that has been imposed by evolution and is an absolute cap on human lifespan. It's not because of nutrient deficiency or anything like that, it's because of genes. Certainly, I-950s have genes. If they didn't they wouldn't be human at all (and the stories say they are humans with cybernetic implants). Even terminators can only maintain the same human skin sheath for a limited time (and they are fed by artificial nutrient systems). -Sec_1971 02:07, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Keep in mind that the I-950s were genetically enhanced also, so the whole gene limitation thing could've been subverted. Besides that, they may also have nanites in their blood stream, which would regulate their health and prevent aging. I think it's mentioned that they have something running through their bloodstream, a bio-chemical fuel that powers their cybernetic implants. It's a shame this wasn't explored further in the books. Darth Raivon 22:05, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Infiltrator vs Terminator

This is purely hypothetical, but what would an I-950's chances be against a T-800 or whatever? Would it be able to hold it's ground or would it be absolutely thrashed? Any ideas? Darth Raivon 16:36, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

In straight hand-to-hand? Probably some (guessing) ~25% better than a normal human due to the implants controlling its biochemical parameters. But ~125% of almost zero is still uncomfortably close to zero. --Lilianne Blaze 16:45, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Personality/State of Mind section

Being human, more-or-less, yet raised by machines, what is an I-950's personality like? Are they very cold and calculating? Do they think like emotional Terminators? Is their devotion to Skynet fanatical? Can anyone whose read the novels answer this? A base profile, or list of common factors, on an I-950's (Serena/Alissa/Clea) mind would be very insightful and help me understand how they think. Darth Raivon 00:37, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

• Serena was very controlled and calculating. She was able to take comfort in the retained "image" of Skynet in its memory after deploying via TDE. This helped her maintain composure once isolated from the terminator collective.
• Clea suffered from her hyper-accellerated development, and is more emotional, prone to much more human instances of rage, distraction, pleasure, and volatility.
• Alissa is as coldly calculating as Serena, but does not benefit from an entire development under the immersive influence of the original Skynet. Due to the hormonal and chamical variances that are a natural part of her developmental stages (childhood and teenager, physically) she too has emotional moments but is far more stable than Clea.

This help put it in perspective? And seriously, the books are gold, get 'em, read 'em!Fulongamer 03:03, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

I certainly shall, and thanks for the info. I often have trouble imagining the mindset of an I-950; I either see them as thinking like the Human Cylons from BSG or being more mechanical in their thoughts, sort of like strict military, if that makes any sense. I have read an extract of the first novel, the beginning bit where Serena grows and infiltrates the Resistance, but it only gives a small glimpse into their minds. Darth Raivon 11:31, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

RE: Terminator Future Fate V1.1

I say again... The problem is, not only is that an entire work of Fan-Fic (not an "official D20Modern RPG" release), but it contains factual errors from the get go, for example, the T-825, is clearly drawn from the I825.M cyborg, which is not a terminator, but a human with cybernetic enhancements and massive prosthetic replacements. It's a fine starter resource for RPG use I'm certain, but it is neither complete, accurate, nor authentic.Fulongamer 15:03, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

RE: Terminator: Dawn of Fate

Question...are the two characters explicitly stated by the game refeence material or in game as being I-950s? Or are you presuming they are because of similarities? I-950s as far as the novels reveal are not made out of existing adult humans, via genetic manipulation or implant insertion, but grown from birth under skynet's direction.Fulongamer 03:46, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Alexander refers to himself as 950 during a combat scene in the game.Nx1701g 03:50, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Interesting. Can you include the exact quote and context, and/or any game reference materieal specifying the usage? Can you be certain it was not referring to a "Series 950" or "T-950" rather than the I-950? If it is an expansion of the options, that's fine but we should document the source and timing of the change, or divide the sourcing statements up as we've had to do with the Series 600 and the Model 101 variable origins.Fulongamer 04:00, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

I have updated the article with information on the level in which they are referred to as I-950's. The information comes not from a quote as I believed but rather a computer screen in the environment around one of the being worked on Skynet Initiates (alternative game name). - Nx1701g 21:59, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Image Provenance & Disclaimer

The cpyrighted image incorporated in this article is not Terminator canon and was adopted from the following original source(s).

http://www.scifi.com/painkillerjane/gallery/index.php SciFi Channel: Painkiller Jane promotional images.

Statistics

Physical Abilities

• Strength: I-950s possess physical strength approx. x3 that of a human of the same size and dimensions.
• Speed: I-950s possess Olympic level movement, capable of running at astonishing speeds.
• Endurance: Organic body is as vulnerable to damage as standard human, but only injuries to the musculature and skeletal sections have any real effect. Destroying the brain, severing the spinal column, and puncturing the heart are the only means of ensuring the unit's termination. However, post-humus elimination of the neural net must be performed to prevent reanimation.
• Healing: I-950s can heal at the same rate as standard flesh sheaths, though organs would most likely take longer to re-structure. Bone damage could repair itself, but this would take far longer than organ regeneration. Re-growth of lost limbs is unlikely, though mechanical replacement is possible, given the right circumstances and technology.

Similarity?

Does anyone else notice the similarities in not only the description, but the visual depictions between the I-950 and the Borg of Star Trek? Which came first? Does anyone know? The only difference I can see is the fact that I-950s are capable of independent thought. -Sec_1971 02:00, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

The Borg came first. They appeared in Star Trek: The Next Generation's Q Who in 1987 or 88. I don't see the similarities between the I-950 and the Borg so much as I see them between the Humanocylons from BSG and the I-950. Then again the HumanoCylons were built and not born. - Nx1701g 04:50, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

No similarity to the "real" I-950s from their original source document, the T2: Infiltrator novel trilogy. I can't speak to the laziness that led to the crafting of the borg-wannabes for the seriously unrelated videogame. I tell you this much, if I was living in the Future War and anything looking like the Stones showed up, I'd have to smoke it. I don't care what tripe the videogame writer trotted out, no way in frakkin' heck are those "infiltrator" units. If Paramount was on the ball like Lucas usually is, they'd probably have been sued. Game designer basically failed to do their research, failed to honor copyright, and slapped an undeserved I950 Series tag on something that has FAR more in common with the creation and backstory and capabilities of the I825.M. (As far as humanoCyclons, they are born, from creche tank wombs as grown adults, like advanced adult-phase cloning combined with the I950 type internal implants and enhancementsin place first and grown around, rather than added in infancy. Then held dormant until activation/occupation by a Cylon intelligence with a ressurrection tank/ship.)Fulongamer 08:07, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

I also just noticed that on The Terminator: Dawn of Fate game page in this wiki, the Stones are listed under a name I presume is drawn from the actual game text, something called the Skynet Initiate but wikilinked by alt text to the I950. If that is their real game derived name and provenance then I submit they be removed from here and properly split off to that page/term, with another note/bullet identifying another factual error introduced by the D20Modern RPG Fan-Fic if that was the source for a claim to the I950 series name. Or at least treating it like the T-808/Aurora split in regards to licensee mis-research and series name duplication by unrelated units.Fulongamer 08:24, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

This was discussed several months ago. During a level of the game where you visit the factory (The Asylum) where the Skynet Initiates are being built there is a computer screen that refers to them as I-950s. Also, the image of Stone with the headpieces comes from later in the game when he has turned on humanity completely. The headpiece is not present when he is serving in the Resistance Base at the beginning of the game. - Nx1701g 21:40, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

I always wondered why the new Cylons were cyborgs. They were supposed to be heartless, ruthless robots (some of which, like the elite personal guards, were really cool looking). Maybe they were made Borg-like due to SFX budget restraints. Or maybe they thought that an actual robot, whether prosthetic or CGI, would look, or be aesthetically, too terminator-like? -Sec_1971 14:00, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Combat Tactics

I'm interested to know how I-950s behave in combat. I've read the first book, but Serena barely gets to dig her nails in before being terminated. So I ask anyone who's read the other books to give a little insight into how they fight (Clea Bennett and Alissa). Do they charge Terminator style, with no regards for avoiding bodily harm, or do they dodge and weave around their opponent? Darth Raivon 23:37, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

The dream sequence in the TSCC episode

I'm not crazy about calling this an I-950 sighting... this was a dream sequence conjured up in Sarah's mind, and not even a reality... although it would certainly be a fear, her experiences have never given her the ability to know about this terminator. And remember, dreams (unless you believe in telepathy) can only be created and derived from your own experiences, ie, would a child from Africa have a dream about a robot? --Enorl76 01:51, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Which is why I called it a possible sighting. Notice she's mentioned once in the entire article. If I considered Hobson as more than a possible sighting I would've added her to the other sections. It's an observation, and is treated as such. Besides, there's already been a discussion about this, so leave it be. Darth Raivon 01:56, 5 May 2009 (UTC)