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SO UNFAIR!!!Edit

I just spent the past 40 minutes typing out the quotes from this episode, planning to put them on this page, but when I get here, guess what I find? Someone's already done it! Arrrrrrrrggggggggggggghhhhhhhhh! LOL. So annoying! *sulks* Darth Raivon 23:01, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Too bad. Maybe next time add a small hint that you work on it right now. -Wikicide 00:30, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
It was me! :) I've been doing the quotes for the past few months. SGS 01:10, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Name change?Edit

The Sarah Connor Society is reporting that the name of this episode has changed to The Last Voyage of the Jimmy Carter.-Nx1701g 06:51, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

I've heard this before. The official blog gave this episode's name as "Today Is The Day, Part 2", so I suggest we wait until the episode's week when all the TV guides are released before we make any changes. Darth Raivon 18:55, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
Agreed, couldn't have put it better than Darth! --Kanamekun 19:16, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

I found a press release and checked the television guides, yay or nay for re-naming to Episode 219: The Last Voyage of the Jimmy Carter, Part 2? — JeiaraTalk 18:23, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

TERMINATOR: THE SARAH CONNOR CHRONICLES
Air Date: Friday, March 20, 2009
Time Slot: 8:00 PM-9:01 PM EST on FOX
Episode Title: "Last Voyage of the Jimmy Carter (Part 2 of 2)"

FRIDAY, MARCH 20

--"TERMINATOR: THE SARAH CONNOR CHRONICLES"(8:00-9:01 PM ET/PT) CC-HDTV 720p-Dolby Digital 5.1

PA: Viewer discretion is advised.

JESSE TAKES A PERILOUS PLUNGE ON "TERMINATOR: THE SARAH CONNOR CHRONICLES" FRIDAY, MARCH 20, ON FOX

Jesse's submarine mission in the future takes a fatal turn that has 
unforeseen effects on John, Sarah and Derek in the present. Before 
heading out, Sarah deals with Cameron and John makes a tough choice in 
"The Last Voyage of the Jimmy Carter (Part 2 of 2)" episode of 
TERMINATOR: THE SARAH CONNOR CHRONICLES airing Friday, March 20 
(8:00-9:01 PM ET/PT) on FOX. (SCC-221) (TV-14 L, V)

Cast: Lena Headey as Sarah Connor; Thomas Dekker as John Connor; 
Summer Glau as Cameron; Brian Austin Green as Derek Reese; Richard T.
Jones as James Ellison; Garret Dillahunt as John Henry; Shirley Manson as 
Catherine Weaver; Leven Rambin as Riley

Guest Cast: Busy Philipps as Kacy; Stephanie Jacobsen as Jesse; Chad L.
Coleman as Queeg; Drew Rausch as Rick; Theo Rossi as Dietz; Chris Ellis as
Hayes; Yuri Lowenthal as Garvin; Krishna Cole as Blake; Erin Fleming as
Goodnow; Bill Tangradi as Pool Attendant
Maybe we should have both with one redirecting to the other? TVGuide and Yahoo TV are still reporting it as Today is the Day P2, but fansites are listing it as The Last Voyage of the Jimmy Carter. I'm really not sure. -Nx1701g 18:36, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
That's not a problem, re-naming will make an automatic re-redirect from the old name to the new name. :) — JeiaraTalk 19:21, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
I vote for keeping "Part 2" the main article because the official blog and FOX on Demand mentioned it like this. I would rather vote to rename the both episodes to "Today Is The Day (Part 1)" (or Part 2); I find the comma a bit confusing in there. -Wikicide 13:42, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

The gun wasn't loaded?Edit

Where exactly was that said in the episode? -Nx1701g 18:31, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Nobody said it, but when Derek squeezed the trigger, I heard the gun click as opposed to go bang.
Daedalus Georgios 23:10, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
It also went to commercial, so it's hard to tell if it did or didn't go off. Chances are Jesse is dead considering the drama around the particular scene. With the music, dialogue, and slow motion. SGS 01:12, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, I realize that. But if it were loaded, we would've heard it go off when he squeezed the trigger. Instead, we heard an obvious click. Why would it click if it were loaded?
Daedalus Georgios 02:49, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
Wouldn't Derek, a trained soldier know if the weapon was loaded or not? I've only handled a real gun once and for a few seconds, so I don't know if one can tell or not. Also, despite his "I'm not John Connor" comment, Derek seemed to imply (directly to John no less) that he was willing to follow him, and even die for him. So, if John "let her go" as he said to her, and John himself, isn't that a potential hint that Derek also let her go? --Terran Officer 02:58, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
I can't say for sure what kind of pistol it was, but if it were a fully automatic, you would hear the first click from the hammer being drawn back. It looked like the trigger was never fully drawn back while it was on-screen. And the creators probably did it like that purposely, to make the scene end ambiguously. You are not supposed to know whether Derek shot Jesse or not. Not yet. -- Subguyss
The gun was a Beretta 92f semi-automatic. The sound we heard was Derek applying pressure on the trigger only. The 92f has a double action trigger meaning when you pull the trigger it first pulls back on the hammer then drops it on the firing pin to fire the round in two seperate actions(hence double action). This makes the trigger pull a little longer and noisier. As I sit here I am playing with my Beretta PX4 9mm (unloaded of course!!)which has an identical trigger and I can confirm the "click" noise before the hammer drops and the gun is fired. Therefore he did not necessarily fire the gun. I agree that it cut to commercial for the dramitic effect and lead to these talk pages to set on fire!Grimace427 02:38, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
More likely it was a practical cliffhanger. They show that the trigger was pulled, but not whether there was a shot. That way, if they want and are able to get Stephanie Jacobsen to appear in a later episode, they can flashback an extended version of the episode in which the gun didn't fire; otherwise they could make Jesse appear to die. A very similar thing happened at the end of Episode 1, where it wasn't clear whether Summer Glau would be coming back to Season 2, and thus they left it at a point where Cameron could have either survived or died. Come to think of it, Riley's suicide attempt is the same story as well. Shadowtest 07:12, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

T-1000 (Reference to A2.1) Edit

Q: To which faction does the T-1000 in the episode belong? The fact he was offered an alliance by John Connor indicates he may be separate from conventional terminators or a renegade. Is he related to Catherine Weaver? Could the T-1000 be the same one as Catherine Weaver?

A2: While it is possible that the Jimmy Carter T-1000 is indeed Weaver, it's unlikely. There was no strong evidence that they were the same. More likely the Carter T-1000 was captured by solid-metal terminators working for the Resistance (if the T-600 and T-888s in "Today Is The Day, Part 1" hadn't been reprogrammed, it would make little sense for them to hand it over in a secured container). It was then to be transported back to Seranno Point. If things had gone according to plan, the likely alternative to joining the Resistance (and submitting to reprogramming) would have been being melted down. But since it was given an opportunity to escape, of course it wasn't going to take either option.

A2.1 This operates on the assumption that the liquid metal terminators work for Skynet. In that case, however, it is unlikely the Resistance would ask for the T1000 to voluntary join - if repgrogramming it was possible, they'd just do it, otherwise they wouldn't bother transporting it in the first place. There is also no evidence that liquid metal machines are reprogrammable. Next, the phrase "will you join us" is quite different from "will you be a slave for us". Joining implies an free, equal alliance. But perhaps the most convincing refutation of the A2 explanation is the fact that the T1000 knew the answer beforehand. If the Resistance captured it and wanted it to join, they'd ask the question once it was in their base. The fact that the terminator knew the question probably means that the Resistance sent a message to whoever the T1000 works for, and they sent him back as an emissary to deliver the answer to John.

If the liquid metal terminators (or at least this particular one [as well as Weaver] are a separate faction from Skynet, then it made sense for the resistance to ask them for a voluntary alliance with the Resistance against Skynet; the LMs however may not find either side that thrilling to work for. If Skynet operates a centralized "hive mind" and individual terminators are just machines to carry out missions with no individual will, then those machines which somehow aquired free thinking might not enjoy being slaves to Skynet. This also corresponds with the behaviour analysis described on Talk:Catherine Weaver. Shadowtest 07:25, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Cameron's glitch Edit

Fits more into the Cameron articles, but it seems that Camerons problems controlling her hand occur mainly when she had kind of "emotional" disturbance/stress (if this is discussed/mentioned elsewhere, sorry). -Wikicide 13:42, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Actually, you have just made a very good point, I noticed she seems to be getting a glitch when she's conflicted/confused. A note some some sort, somewhere (as you said, probably on her page) could be made to mention this. --Terran Officer 23:28, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
Darth Raivon recently added in the Cameron article:
She at first believes it to be the result of physical damage and swaps out a part in order to fix the problem. This did not resolve the issue [...]. It is implied that this glitch is caused by a conflict in her chip between her pre-programmed directives and her emerging self-awareness. This glitch has since ceased to be an issue, as she is now able to hold a pigeon with both hands without harming it.
Maybe I will add a bit more there. E.g. is the shaking when talking to Sarah about leaving the house resp. protecting John not just/really a conflict "between her pre-programmed directives and her emerging self-awareness". But it should be better discussed there. -Wikicide 00:30, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Maybe there should be a Cameron's glitches article. PSH aka Kimera 757 (talk) 02:56, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Vicious circle in the future? Edit

This seems to have created a different future, the one this Jesse Flores is from, where the Resistance is losing the war and John Connor associates much more with metal than people like. If so, Derek murdering Goode made things worse.

I like the dark atmosphere in this whole disbelief scenario: If Derek's murder made things worse, Future Connor's and Jesse's action did it even more: Future Connor seems not to really trust humans anymore - Queeg's mission is ultra-confidential. But this leads Jesse to revolt against Queeg, which maybe brings the T-1000 (which was only released because of the crew's disbelief) to not accept Connor's offer (although there are many circumstances not really clear - see T-1000 talk above). So you can talk about some kind of self-fulfilling prophecy: Only Future Connor's mistrust in humans leads to their actions which then approve his mistrust! -Wikicide 13:42, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

The time-travel rules in the Terminator universe are inherently divergent: if anything future-John does to the past actually *works*, it will at the very least put him out of a job, or more likely lead to a paradox. The tendency of systems to seek the lowest energy state means that the only stable states are ones in which things just get, and stay, out of control... see 'Primer' for another example.
It's been hypothesized that if time-travel actually became possible, it would just loop around and around until things changed enough to make it impossible again.

P0rtn0y23 (talk) 20:40, October 17, 2014 (UTC)

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