Proper links[]
Just a reminder to new members who edit TSCC pages. Please remember whenever you're linking to John Connor or Sarah Connor you must link to these pages: John Connor (TSCC) and Sarah Connor (TSCC). The appropriate format is as follows: [[John Connor (TSCC)|John Connor]] and [[Sarah Connor (TSCC)|Sarah Connor]]. Thanks. :) Darth Raivon 16:37, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
How do we know that it's Terminators who are killing and chasing & following Sarah and "Eileen"? Remember the Terminators pay very well LOL Discipline 07:31, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
Chick-crush and Riley's suicide[]
Just a short note that I changed the way these two topics are referenced on this page. I think TPTB mentioned in some interview that Jesse might not have committed suicide, and since we never saw her slit her own wrists, only the result, it could have been Jesse, so I rephrased two spots to better reflect that.
Also, the chick-crush is a nice theory, but an alternate way of seeing this is that Jesse is the only person Riley can relate to in this time (save for John maybe, but then she's effectively betraying him, lying to him, so there's not really a healthy connection there). So, one could simply see Jesse as a mother or sister figure. I've massaged the text slightly to allow for all three interpretations and to take some emphasis off the chick crush. If they'd wanted a chick crush, I'm sure they would have at least shown them sharing a bed or something, instead Jesse tucks Riley in like a mom does with her kid. But I see it as an alternate theory, so I've left it in for now. -- Uliwitness 17:47, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
Who is "she" ?[]
I'm leaning toward Sarah, but maybe it could be Cameron...who is the she that Jesse tells Riley to keep John away from? — Jeiara 05:06, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
- Jesse has already revealed that she is on a mission (perhaps personal) to separate John and Cameron. She does not trust the metal. This was when Derek confronted her about the photos and survelliance of John. She recruited and exploited Riley as a sexual tool to achieve this, and Riley can't deal with it anymore.Fulongamer 05:21, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
- Jesse did say that she's on a mission to keep John and Cameron apart, that is true; however, Jesse - being a combat hardened soldier of the Resistance - would not normally refer to the machine with a human descriptor such as she. - Nx1701g 00:01, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
- Considering the nature of the threat (as she sees it) that Cameron represents to John's judgement, and the tactic she has chosen to run interference against it (Riley-bait) I think there is little doubt that her primary opposition is Cameron, and that "she-ness" is the heart of the problem. Sarah is a rampant technophobe and doesn't need any additional goading to be wary of Cameron or any other turned terminators. There is also no logic to a mission to drive a wedge between John and Sarah, nor to use "the option to get some" as the catalyst.Fulongamer 00:36, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
- This is mainly over-analyzing...that's all. Jesse said that she's here to stop Cameron because John is only listening to her in the future. Making questionable decisions, getting good people killed. Just look at the quotes section for "Strange This Happen at the One-Two Point" --->> http://terminator.wikia.com/wiki/Episode_210:_Strange_Things_Happen_at_the_One_Two_Point SGS 01:31, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
- Considering the nature of the threat (as she sees it) that Cameron represents to John's judgement, and the tactic she has chosen to run interference against it (Riley-bait) I think there is little doubt that her primary opposition is Cameron, and that "she-ness" is the heart of the problem. Sarah is a rampant technophobe and doesn't need any additional goading to be wary of Cameron or any other turned terminators. There is also no logic to a mission to drive a wedge between John and Sarah, nor to use "the option to get some" as the catalyst.Fulongamer 00:36, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
- Jesse did say that she's on a mission to keep John and Cameron apart, that is true; however, Jesse - being a combat hardened soldier of the Resistance - would not normally refer to the machine with a human descriptor such as she. - Nx1701g 00:01, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
Confrontations[]
Note to all, other than a snippy exchange about the slushies, and a chick-versation about both her bruise and her tattoo, Cameron DOES NOT confront Riley directly. She confronts John about Riley, who takes the easy road out and attempts/completes suicide in the bathroom alone whiel they are busy discussing her.Fulongamer 05:25, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
- It's a really insensitive comment to use the words "take the easy road out" regarding suicide. Can you please be a little more sensitive? I have friends with severe depression and they need support and encouragement from people. Elwyn5150
- It is not insensitive, it is direct. I actually have had friends commit suicide, and as an active duty military member and an NCO I am responsible for recognizing and intervening in the event of potential suicides and suicidal bahaviors. Potential suicides think it is the easy way out or they think it is a solution to problems or they think no one understands or they think people would be better off without them and it is all our responsibilities to help them cope, help them seek professional help (medical, psychological, counseling, chaplains/pastors, etc...) and recognize and intervene. Talking around it does not help. Disregarding it does not help. Where signs and symptoms exist, you MUST take action, talk directly to and directly about the problems, and make it clear that there are alternatives and assistance to be had, and that suicide/suicidal behavior is not a solution.Fulongamer 16:09, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
- Sugar-coating the truth is counter-productive. If we still called it "shell shock" instead of "post-traumatic stress disorder", maybe our veterans would get better medical treatment (to paraphrase George Carlin). -Sec_1971 04:23, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
Guest Cast[]
What an interesting cast in this episode: Dinah Lenney-a woman playing a man who is dressed like woman, and Barbara - played by a woman named Michael. I should stop teasing my sister, whose name is Ryan. Good episode, though. A lot better than Alpine Fields, I think. -Sec_1971 23:01, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
(Jesse Slaps Riley)[]
Maybe I'm over-analyzing the scene, but that slap looked more like a bitch-smack. -Sec_1971 04:04, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
- I was impressed that the slap left a mark!
- What's a bitch-smack? --Kanamekun 04:11, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
- A smack that is usually delivered with the accompanying phrase: "Shut up, Bitch!" -Sec_1971 04:18, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
- Considering their respective roles (Agent = Jesse / Asset = Riley / Target = John) in a more literal sense (Pimp/Madam = Jesse / 'Ho = Riley / John = ...John) the appearance to (As seen in Deuce Bigelow: Male Gigolo and Deuce Bigelow: European Gigolo ) a man-whore-he-bitch-slap is remarkably uncanny. 8) 04:26, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
- A smack that is usually delivered with the accompanying phrase: "Shut up, Bitch!" -Sec_1971 04:18, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
- There was a sequel? Well, I'll be damned. -Sec_1971 04:44, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
Motorcycle Guy[]
I heard a rumor that the motorcyle-driving assassin has been identified (as the security chief, or something). Any truth to that? PSH aka Kimera 757 (talk) 00:05, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
Cabeza de Vaca monologue[]
The narration at the beginning is totally inaccurate. Seems like the writers would have at least bothered to check Wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabeza_de_vaca#Narv.C3.A1ez_Expedition_and_early_Indian_relations
Ok, yeah, it is Wikipedia...but nonetheless, it's common knowledge that Columbus landed in 1492 and there were no substantive expeditions by W. Europeans for some time before that (certainly not in 1490). Actually, it seems that 1490 was Vaca's birth year. Further, the Wiki article seems to suggest that Vaca was enslaved only after the mission had pretty much fallen apart. He did eventually become the reputed "healer", though. The story would have lost none of its effect by changing a few words out to make it more accurate.
On the other hand, this might just reinforce the idea that this Terminator thing happens in an alternate universe...