Impromptu human tissue sheathEdit
Considering the bathtub of artificial blood that gave Cromartie his new skin was "on the fly"--no control over anything--I think it would have been funny if he came out with Carrot-Top style red hair or something. Come to think of it, though, that might have actually made him a little scarier :) -Sec_1971 14:44, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
im of the opinion there should be more pictures of Garret Dillahunt as cromartie on the page rather than Owen Yeoman, just seeing as he has played cromartie for most of series one and so far all of series 2. anyone else? Smeagan 08:48, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
Go for it.sec_1971 13:38, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
Cromartie is the first T-888 sent back in time ? Edit
He is the first one to appear in TSCC (1999). What we don´t know is when Vick (or maybe another T-888) was sent back (neither to which year Vick was sent). Therefore, the note in the main text is only speculation and maybe it should br corrected or deleted.--Patriko 16:50, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
- I agree. From the POV of the viewer, he's the first T-888 we see. But from the point of view of the timelime itself, maybe The Engineer was the first T-888. So yah, we should correct or delete. --Kanamekun 20:26, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
- Nobody ever said The Engineer was a Terminator. It's just as likely he was just a regular human resistance member. And as we know now deep into Season 2, the earliest Terminator (in the objective timeline) we've seen so far is Myron Stark (2x11).But yeah, Cromartie is the first 888 we ever saw on the show. -- Uliwitness 17:28, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
Adding my section as a redirect / moving it somewhere nicer than where I have it
( " Cromartie undergoes the John Henry " header)
Goaroundkillingpeople 07:12, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
Well, he wasn't destroyed but recovered. Now being used as a device to speak and see for John Henry... what would be the best word describing this? Reincarnated? lol — Jeiara 06:00, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
Refurbished? -Sec_1971 06:09, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
- Recycled. 8) Fulongamer 06:25, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
Crom- and -artie are Irish (Gaelic) words. Crom- translates as "rock", "as stone" or "cold like stone". -artie could be a disambiguation of ahrtis which literally translates as "artist". However, the ancient celtic people called assassins ahrthisha (killing is an art, after all). So, Cromartie could actually be translated from Irish as stone-cold killer. haha. Funny. I wonder if this was intentional or just a coincidence. -Sec_1971 13:13, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
- I think it was coincidence. I seem to recall one of the producers (I think it was Stentz on TerminatorFiles) saying he was named for a football player. - Nx1701g 16:58, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
- That's weird. And a strange coincidence. -Sec_1971 21:20, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
That's not his tissue model, it's his series number; T-888, with a custom George Laszlo tissue model. Cameron identified him as a T-888 in the pilot episode, when he was sheathed within a different skin. -Sec_1971 02:21, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks. :) (I know he is T-888 but) I ask because Portal:Models states his living tissue is Model 888. --TX55TALK 03:35, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
I don't remember the specifics, but as I recall, Cromartie was confirmed as a "Terminator Series Triple-Eight, Model Number Eight-Hundred and Eighty-Eight" in a promotional advert/behind-the-scenes/panel event. I think it was just decided he be so because he's the first T-888 we see in the show. Darth Raivon 12:20, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
Somebody got it all wrong!!!Edit
Cromartie doesn't spare Ellison's life for no apparent reason - Cromartie lets him live because he "... has faith that (Ellison) will lead (him) to the Connors." And as for him not killing the entire High School class... remember waaaay back in 1984 when Ahnold didn't stop to kill everyone in the night club Tech Noir? It wasn't one of his mission parameters. His mission was taking off out the back door with Kyle Reese, Ahnold had more important things to attend to. Cromartie's mission had just jumped out of the window, so he needed to go. Terminators don't typically care much about witnesses unless they have some kind of deep cover they need to worry about. Cromartie didn't: as soon as he made John, he abandoned the teacher role and just started shooting.
As for Cromartie not killing the swat team outside of the bank in 1999, remember that he eyed them up right before going in and his HUD declared them to have a threat level of zero. Why waste bullets? John is in the bank, so that's where he needed to go next. Quickly.
And watch Cromartie carefully in the Mexican police station. He starts out killing everyone in the general vicinity, but after the local cops have been subdued, he only kills people that point guns at him. And they aren't even really a threat, not with those weapons, but the time he loses dealing with them when they shoot at him (in my opinion) is important enough that he kills them pre-emptively. But anyone who does not oppose him generally won't get shot at.
Terminators are indeed killing machines, but they don't kill indiscriminately.
Unrelated question: If Ahnold's Terminator in T3 had psychology in his programming, didn't Queeg on the Jimmy Carter? Didn't Queeg have a clue the crew was on the verge on mutiny? Trench216 --Trench216 03:26, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
- Most of your logic is sound, and I think I agree with everything (though the T-1000 did kill indiscriminately on at least one occasion). As for Queeg, who knows if he had programming on psychology. Arnie's Terminator was by definition in another continuity and a different series. The T-888 seems to vary a lot in programming. Some can put on a good social face, others seem to totally lack the ability. Why Skynet wouldn't just load a comprehensive software package and make it more adaptive without letting it learn is strange, but that's what we've seen in the show.AlphaShrike 17:46, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
Cromartie a T-1000?Edit
This is evident in "Brothers of Nablus" when he terminates a T-888 sent to kill and replace Agent Ellison. Though Ellison had been targeted for termination (for unknown reasons), Cromartie saves his life because, he says, "You will lead me to the Connors".
I'm unsure, but didn't he kill the Ellison Terminator by penetrating it's back and just shredding out some important part of machinery? It look liked it just used one of those flashy T-1000 sword thingies. How would he otherwise be able to just go straight through it? --Light Daxter 15:39, October 2, 2009 (UTC)
I thought he just used his normal hand to do that... terminators are strong and their skeletons are heavy, so they can probably use their hands as piercing weapons like that. It does raise the question though, why T-888's don't do that more often!
He's definitely not a t-1000 though - they showed his metal endo and his chip in later episodes, and he was definitely a traditional "living tissue over metal endoskeleton" terminator! --Kanamekun 19:28, October 2, 2009 (UTC)
I knew he wasn't a T-1000 (otherwise John would be screwed), but that still leaves how he just manages to pierce through the endoskeleton and snap that mechanical part without much difficulty. I just wondered cause I was kinda sure that I saw him use a shiny liquid metal sword... =/ --Light Daxter 19:37, October 2, 2009 (UTC)
- I haven't seen that scene in a while, but I thought maybe that the shiny thing was Cromartie's power source? I'd have to watch it to confirm! --Kanamekun 19:43, October 2, 2009 (UTC)
I just watched the episode on Blu-Ray - it's a piece of steel with a jagged edge. We know from the Pilot that Cromartie can scan objects and determine where their structural weak points are so it's likely that Cromartie was able to find the weak point and knew exactly where to strike. It's also possible that Cromartie knew specific locations where the struture is weaker in the endoskeleton's makeup. However, in the scene, Cromartie slams the rod through the chest, removes the power cell with his hand, then takes the body away. -Nx1701g 03:37, October 3, 2009 (UTC)